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Fwd: Do we ask God to Forgive our Sins or our Trespasses? (Matt 6:12)?



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Subject: Do we ask God to Forgive our Sins or our Trespasses? (Matt 6:12)?
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Have you ever been in a new church and were asked to say the Lord's Prayer out loud? What almost always happens? You say, "Give us this day our daily bread ..." and then you pause. Does this church say "debts" or "trespasses"? What is the difference, and why?
The Greek is, "forgive us our ὀφειλήματα, as we also forgive those who ὀφειλέταις against us.." The basic meaning of ὀφείλημα is "to have an obligation." It can be used in a financial sense (Rom 4:4) or in a moral sense (our passage and its parallel, Luke 11:4).
Translating ὀφείλημα as "sins" pictures our sins as putting us in obligation to God, as something that needs to be forgiven. Using "trespasses" may be more understandable (but who uses the word "trespasses" any more?) but it loses the sense of indebtedness. Stylistically, it also forces us to be expansive in the second half of the verse — "those who have trespassed against" — which is poorer English style.
Most English translations go with "debts" since it is closer in meaning of the actual Greek word. The parallel passage in Luke 11:4 uses both "sins" and "debts." "Forgive us our sins (ἁμαρτίας), for we also forgive everyone who is indebted (ὀφείλοντι) to us." The combination of "sin" and "debt" is also behind the parable of the unmerciful servant (Matt 18:23–35) in which Jesus concludes, "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart."
Because God is a holy God, our violations of his character not only break his laws but create an indebtedness to him. This debt is paid for on the cross, and yet requires our continual confession to maintain a healthy relationship with him (Matt. 6:14–15).
The relationship between forgiveness and confession is helpful to understand. Forgiveness is what I do for myself; I am required to turn sins against me over to God and allow him to execute his perfect vengeance in his way and in his time. This is what frees me. But when I have sinned against someone, because such an act in-debts me to God, I am required to confess my sin first to God (Ps 51:4) and then to the person I have offended (Matt 5:24). The degree to which I am freed from the consequence of my sin is the same degree to which I confess. He who confesses little is freed little.
The model of forgiveness is Psalm 51. For more information, check out my talk on the passage on BiblicalTraining.org.
Speaking of sin, I am currently in Albania speaking to the staff of CRU (Campus Crusade for Christ) on discipleship and the Pastorals. Albania is a very poor country decimated by communism, and many of the CRU staff live on $400/month, not enough money to even buy books so they can learn the Bible and theology much less ever go to seminary. Given that the average US church spends 93% of its income on itself, I wonder what our corporate debt to God must be, much less our debt to our brothers and sisters here who gladly give themselves to a life of impoverished service? While I don't personally enjoy travel, it is a reminder of how much of the world does live and my role in helping and encouraging them. 

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Subject: Greek Exegesis and Humility (Mark 16:16)
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I received an email the other day that reminded me that we all need to remind ourselves to have a little humility in doing our Greek exegesis. I'm not talking about arrogance as the opposite of humility, but humble caution. The question had to do with the translation of three participles in Mark 16:16, and why the NASB is the only translation to get it "right," and why the other translations got it "wrong."
Whether I am teaching Biblical Greek in the traditional method, or Bible Study Greek as a tools approach, it is essential for students to know what they know and what they don't know. The minute someone says that a major translation got something "wrong" should raise the red flag of humility.
I have expressed this in previous blogs but it is worth repeating here. Whether it was on the ESV or the NIV translation committees, I was never comfortable suggesting a change from the RSV or the current edition of the NIV unless I could see why the previous translators had done what they did. There is always a reason.
Mark 16:16 reads, "Whoever believes (ὁ πιστεύσας) and is baptized (ὁ … βαπτισθεὶς) will be saved (σωθήσεται), but whoever does not believe (ὁ … ἀπιστήσας) will be condemned (κατακριθήσεται)." So there are three aorist participles used substantively, and two future passive indicative verbs. The NASB translates, "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned." Is the use of the past perfect "has" wrong?
At one level, no. If the participles were adverbial, they would be indicating an action that occurs prior to the time of the future indicative verbs, but that means you could translate them as present, past, or past perfect. However, these participles are not adverbial but adjectival, and therefore relative time is much less significant, if it is present at all. This is partly why all other translations translate the participles as present verbal constructions.
And yet I would argue that the NASB translation of this verse is wrong, but not because they are aorist. The context of the paragraph is referring to the future expansion of the Gospel, and it is saying that those who believe from that point on will be saved. It is not saying anything contextually about those who have already believed in the past. The NASB hides that fact and actually misleads the reader into thinking that the verse is not talking about future conversions. So while grammatically it is a permissible translation, contextually it is an incorrect translation.
For those of you who have not yet studied the non-indicative moods, you will learn that there is no absolute time outside of the indicative. In the indicative, there is time along with aspect; an inflected verbal form built on a present tense stem generally, but not always, indicates an action occurring in the present time. That's what we mean by "absolute time."
Outside of the indicative, there is only aspect and relative time. Inflected verbal forms built on a present tense stem indicate an imperfective (continuous) action occurring at the same time as the main verb. Inflected verbal forms built on an aorist tense stem indicate a perfective (undefined) action occurring prior to the time of the main verb. So the only thing the aorist participles are indicating in our verse is that the actions occur prior to salvation and condemnation.
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