Hi Randy Kay here we all go through struggles at times and i want to share with you through
stories and insights and interviews with others how much God loves you He loves you immensely
and that's what i hope you will hear through our interviews and what we have to share with
you thanks for staying tuned here we go hi randy k here welcome to the heaven series
we are welcoming back brian melvin after the video where he died and experienced heaven there were
hundreds of thousands of people shortly thereafter that watched that episode and we had to bring
him back we actually promised that we would bring brian back because he experienced hell
suffered from post-traumatic stress syndrome a ptsd and so god revealed to him heaven
but before we go there brian first i want to say welcome back uh to our show great to have you
it's great to be back and see you again i'm quite shocked and uh that's this is how the lord works
and i never expected this would go viral but it did praise god for his glory only amen
amen so uh go back to that video it's on youtube uh the youtube channel that we noted on this video
we will also have a connection to brian's book a land unknown so i would encourage
you to watch the full video when we discussed his venture into hell and
god actually referenced hell as a land unknown to brian so again before we get to the kind of
the redemption of your experience that is when god has waged you with um with the vision of heaven uh
let's go back to uh that your experience in hell when you died from contaminated water
and i just wanted to ask you some highlights of that experience brian what is it about that
experience you met hitler in hell you met a preacher who was a womanizer in hell you met
others in hell what was it that really stuck with you about that experience in hell that you
would like to convey to the audience now uh that that affected you and and may have affected them
and hearing about your story well what affected me the most and what i remember the most is um
is that the people in hell they know they deserve it because you're judged and that's i don't think
that aspect is clearly taught too much anymore if at all maybe i think it probably has in the past
but primarily the people in hell know they deserve it it's not like they're victims it's uh
and they're reaping what they have sown in their in their life in a just degree that i can't really
describe other than you have to see it and some some were worse somewhere less is pretty much what
the scriptures talk about and when jesus talked about the the two cities receiving more punishment
because more than sodom and gomorrah because like i think ruth graham lutz would say that as billy
graham's daughter would would say is uh there's just degrees and levels uh in hell that's exactly
what i saw and a lot of people um get confused and they think that the hill experience is like a dmt
trip or something no it's very cognitive it's very orderly there's a flow to it and it makes
perfect sense it's like a nightmare a coherent nightmare that you never wake up out of and
the other thing i felt was a total abandonment from god and you were just totally separated
from anything of love and value it's like in this life we are separated but we still
have compassion from other people but in hell all that's gone and you know you deserve it
and even to this day what strikes me and i still have trouble with is i know i deserve hell and
yet i came back and so like i described in my heaven testimony i had a lot of survivors guilt
like why did i come back i didn't want to tell anybody at all that i went to hell because people
would sit there going uh you're nuts you're making it up uh you're just doing this to make money
you're doing this kind of like uh and you know all i can say is i didn't know what to do with it
and so so several years went by after that i got involved in church i told some pastors
about it and several pastors said brian you should just sit down and write a book about it
i really feel like you should write a book about it one was a southern baptist minister and the others were church of god and assembly of god folks and so it's i said okay you know and i
sat down i wrote a 40-page manuscript because i just couldn't convey what i wanted to convey and
i just and i had all these pieces of paper where i documented what happened to him and some of the
things that i wrote so when i wrote the book and finally wrote it editor came back and said
this is a christian book isn't it you got to get rid of the cuss words in it well demons cuss
so it's okay i have to okay what do i do and the lord gave me the way to do it
and it take i do some quite a bit of editing and there's other parts i had to edit out of the book as well um so anyway but the thing that struck me most was
people just know they deserve it and that is the thing that people don't realize is that
they think they're good people and they deserve heaven they're some sort of victim or something
and they automatically because they're good people or something they automatically don't
deserve wrath are just punishment or recompense but they don't see the real them inside because
that's what's being exposed in my book i call it how we make life ugly and that is
that's pretty much simplify you know sin you know transgressing god's law so forth makes life
very ugly for those around us and we don't see how we contribute to the smell no other way to put it
and i never did and that's why i saw the just degrees of punishment people go
there and they know they deserve it because everything is explained about who god is his nature his character and they just don't fit because if they're allowed
into heaven they would corrupt heaven yes you know one of the things that impressed me
there were many things that just affected me deeply as it did many of our viewers is before
you went into the land unknown hell uh god told you to say two two words the name of jesus christ
to actually declare jesus christ because all this time in hell the demons were trying to devour you
and you would declare jesus christ the authority or the name and they could not
and that was that was impressive because it seems that he was saving you from being devoured in hell
yes that's true it's like he said to say his name and his title i knew who it was because it was jesus so when i started saying jesus christ i really didn't know anything about the power of
the name that was i had no clue about that and so when i did that they couldn't grab hold of
you they couldn't drag you in and they couldn't devour you because these things are vicious and
they're they're absolutely vile and they're very clever they're very deceptive they come across
sometimes very sweet and nice and very seductive at the same time and they want to destroy you
they want you to curse god curse them curse the devil curse yourself curse them
just live basically you don't understand why but that's pretty much maybe someone else and
they can figure that one out but it's like they want to to entrap trap me to stay there that's
what they were trying to do all i could say was jesus christ jesus christ because i was simply terrified i don't want to i wanted to wake up i want to wake up so bad and it's a terrible
thing when you can't wake up from a bad dream you will wake up and it's all over and you can
just you know go out and collect yourself get a glass of water and go back to bed and go to sleep but this you don't wake up out of it was it some of the things still haunt me to this day but i
don't have have it like i used to um i remember once my wife came in i was taking a nap in the
back bedroom and she came in and said brian i got up throwing pillows at her and i'm saying
jesus christ jesus jesus christ jesus christ in a second it's like and it's like i'm not there bro
i mean it's just you know we can't post traumatic stress you know things like that happen and um you know my mom was
uh no my dad was a world war ii veteran and he had dreams too you know about the war and so
anyway it's just you know i've seen it for with him too i've witnessed some of
his this post-traumatic stress from the war but uh and so i understand that and so it
that's one of the things is just things startled me sight sounds smells would trigger memories
and that's that's what it was like for me afterwards and
i think that testifies actually brian of the validity of what you went through that's one
of the things that struck me in speaking with you and getting to know your story and reading your
book is that i felt you know this is this is it i mean this is true this is real because it has
that element not of of kind of self-aggrandizement but it really does testify the reality apart from
god you said there was a divorce from from god we have never in this world experienced uh of
god not being present at all and one of the other things that impressed me about your account is the
deception because when you initially saw this house and you saw some very alluring
figures individuals who appeared to entice you into what they referenced as paradise so when you
first got to the land unknown they said welcome to paradise well they were saying welcome to hell
and then there was this revelation of their true nature which is almost a morphing it seemed from
going from this uh declaration of that they said in this i don't know what the house looked like to
now you're seeing this exposure and you're seeing the ugliness of of hell that they were indeed
lying to you yeah um that's what struck me i knew nothing about near-death experiences i had never
even heard of him back then and it was happened to me in 1980 in the summer 1980 and i never even
heard of an after-death experience i wouldn't have believed it if someone told me you know and
and so what struck me was the constant deception going on when people arrived in hell thinking
that when they arrived and if they've been there sometime they know where they are but they think they arrived in paradise so i i kept thinking you know why you show me this lord i don't understand
and now i do because all these experiences that people have and go and oh forever to go on
all these talk shows they saw you know on the afterlife and they saw a wonderful place it's so
wonderful paradise or whatever it is in their mind it could be anything and it's just wonderful and
you just need to go to the light i met all my dead relatives there and when they start describing the place i'm going that's hell you were deceived and i'm trying to talk to
some people like this near death survivors and stuff and i mean they're sold on this stuff because they come back a lot of them just go into the new age movement you know it's they
go that direction and they go into universalism and it's very hard to reach them saying that yeah
i understand and understand where they're coming from because this is so overwhelming their census
that yeah if you know they got resuscitated and left a little too soon before they realized
where they were and for whatever reason the lord allowed me to go a little bit further just report
that fact and i had no idea that it would years and years all these years later it would testify
that you need to be very careful with after death experiences where they say everything is a better
roses everything is going to be swell when you die just go to the light it's just wonderful
and if it sounds too good to be true then it is and that is a fact and that no other way to put it
well there's we've discovered uh brian that there's a difference between those who know
jesus as their lord and savior because they experience god the
god of love and so they can gain entree into heaven now you had entered uh your afterlife uh
experience when you were an atheist and you said a militant atheist you weren't just an atheist
but you were militant uh a militant atheist so you didn't know god um and uh he was telling you
as as you said that if if he were to let you into heaven that you would bring all of the
whatever the the ugliness the the uh then to heaven and that would corrupt heaven
um the you encountered somebody that is really struck with their audience
because he's kind of the epitome of evil and that is adolf hitler adolf hitler is somebody who
was very deceptive as you said he obviously had an allure because he attracted an entire nation
of people to his dictatorship and uh just explain that a little further if you will
because we think of adolf hitler how could people be deceived by this man who is so evil and so
apparently evil how could they be deceived into following after him but deception is all about
what you experienced in hell isn't it that's what it's about and how adolf hitler could do it well
there's i think it was uh jan markle i remember the arthur wrote a book the beautiful side of evil
evil always comes off as beautiful in the lord just like the serpent did into yeah adam and eve
you know you will not surely die and sarah you know that word die surely die is a hebrew emphatic
the same word death is used twice or die used twice to it but if you look at it that's that's
two deaths and so and and end of the book of revelation there it talks about the second
death and so there was a half truth in this life sounded very seductive you will not surely die
the second death you'll surely not you know you'll be like god you'll be your own little god you can
manipulate god you know you can work god to get whatever you want it's kind of what he was luring
these people our earthly parents our great great great great you know adam and eve and um and that
was just a very alluring and seductive way and so what happens is with authoritarians like hitler
is they're very small people on the inside the devil can enter him use him as he wills he sends
his demons and charms them he grooms them and he empowers them and so someone that way will
use the same i call it dragon speak to seduce an entire nation and you'll usually use it with fear
and and it was fear of certain classes of people if you're of this class of person
you were you were you would not have deserved the right to eat to breathe to live to buy or to sell
because you're not uh the chosen race or the chosen one and it's sort of a psychological
phenomena that people will be drawn into authoritarianism thinking without even
realizing it because it's all done under the disguise of peace and safety we're doing this
for your security we're doing it for everybody else it's for the group and that's how he did it
he lured people that way he was demonically inspired to do it and like all authoritarians are
i would classify him as a bona fide psychopath um and with narcissistic tendencies with my
professional opinion and so he was wanting to be somebody great and he pursued it and
he explored and he was involved in the occult very deep deep dark occult stuff i you know and all the
stuff he practiced because of what he learned there was the grill society the thule society
and a host of other of these nordic uh race things and nordic religion stuff that he got into
and they were about acquiring earth power the power of the mind and will and that's what he used
to seduce millions of people and a lot of these people were normal average people ended up doing
evil things because they fell in line with the authoritarians because if they didn't they couldn't buy sell or eat which makes the book of revelations chapter 13
have more meaning about the antichrist and they talk about you don't receive the mark you can't buy sell or eat so it all and they and what jesus says when they say peace and
safety sudden destruction comes so when you start hearing we're doing this for your safety
and we want to separate people to keep you safe we're going to put them in camps watch out yes
that's a teller that you know this is uh anyway any any transcendence it transcends time yes the
same thing jesus spoke of hell as quote unquote eternal fire and i think you had referenced
fire the heat uh in hell for those who are viewing this to think that god wants anyone to go to hell
would be uh would be false um he does not however he explains the fact that it exists as you've
testified of and he talks about in matthew uh the book of matthew chapter 25 verses 40 or verse 41
and he talks about eternal punishment that is jesus referenced the internal punishment in hell but what's interesting brian about that is that the same word eternal is used to
describe eternal life for the righteous and the eternal punishment of hell for the unrighteous
according to jesus hell will be eternal but also heaven will be eternal and there was an account
of somebody in the bible as well when jesus had referenced a man who was in hell that
asked jesus to to give him a drop of water some water and jesus and he said he asked that jesus
bring the news of jesus the truth and the way to his survivors who were still obviously living and
jesus said if they didn't believe the prophets uh they would not believe um believe him and
so tell us a little bit about what you experienced in terms of that eternal fire and uh the eternity
that that you perceived in both hell and in heaven okay i'll do might give it my best shot here
it's a big long-winded question i know yeah well first off um it's in matthew chapter 12 yeah 25
there you know the hell was made for the devil and his minions his angels and his fallen watchers
that fell and what jesus is referring to is the current hell which is there's a current hell
which was i saw which is defined in the book of ezekiel and other places in the bible as the pit
and in the book of job chapter 26 or 25 whichever chapter it is i can't remember it talks about
abaddon has no cover covering you know and people rail and travail in there and talks about in
places in ezekiel that people who died of old are in this place and it goes on and on and on this this was you know since humanity fell they get to inhabit
what i call the the current hell that's described in isaiah chapter 24 where it talks about
the great kings of the earth were thrown into basically the pit or the dungeon and put in cells
it literally says that i think it's verse 24 if i'm not mistaken somewhere in that area
and so that's the current hill and then there is a another hill which is a lake of fire
which you know i did see that from a distance coming out of the out of out of the abyss there
and that is uh that's the future hell where it says in the book of revelation death and hell
are are going to be thrown into the lake of fire everybody in the pit is going to be cast into the
lake of fire and that is what people need to understand as the flames of hell now does hell
currently have flames yes it does it's a very hot place the flames are in the lower depths
and some of the cells were flaming um flaming cells inside there like i saw with
some of the nazi folks and some of the others that were very vile and wicked people and so there is
flames in hell it's a very hot place and it very cave-like subterranean-like very hot um i like
what bill lee says it's so hot you feel like your eyeballs are going to melt out of their sockets your tongue will stick to the roof of your mouth and it's so hot and there's no way that a human
being in your fleshly body could stay in that place this is a spiritual heat and this is also
couldn't even describe how hot it was and they're hot rocks i saw some flames here and there
you can hear flames and you can smell it display smell awful and you know like burning sulfur like
rotten eggs mixed with roses and linseed oil kind of sounds strange but that's what it smelled like
to me and it just smelled like the rank thing of death and that is the current hell and all this is
going to be thrown into the lake of fire and that kind of confuses people and hell is eternal and
people always sort of try to air condition hell they try to cushion it and make it sound like it's
not eternal and you're going to be burned up to a toast and you're in non-existence i mean what they
don't realize is when you stand before the lord and you actually see him you understand things
and i found all these things in the bible i'm not just not making this up ecclesiastes chapter
3 or verse 11 says he puts eternity in the heart second samuel chapter 7 or i can't remember now 7
14 or 14 14 i can't remember i know it's verse 14 and the wise woman was giving a word to king david
about absalon and it talks about uh we will all surely die no our mortal flesh are going to die
but god does not take away life but he does provide a way for his banished ones to return
that is another indication that hell is eternal because god doesn't take away life jesus said
uh god is a god of living he's not the god of the dead he's not the god of the non-existent for god to blast somebody off into non-existence would be contrary to his nature and if that did
happen the devil won because god would contradict himself god can't deny who he is you learn that
you learn that when you stand before him you learn that when you see the lord and it was drilled into
me and i came back with that and he will never deny himself and the bible says in timothy
first or second i can't remember which chapter book but the lord will not deny himself he can
you know he's a god of truth and so he gave you life he did you know he provided a way back through jesus christ and people don't like that they don't want to come back through
jesus christ they just want to just waltz on in just like they are because they deserve it i i
i empathize with them because that's the way i used to think in the world you know as a victim and you know be unjust to punish the likes of me look at how good i am you know i only stole
from these people because they deserved it when they got in the fight because they deserved it
i only did this and i only sold drugs and and stuff and the people bought them because they
deserved to get high i was just helping them and never realized i ruined many lives that way and um
and so no matter how good you think you are there is consequences coming and the lord does
everything in his power to knock on somebody's door it says in romans chapter one
all heaven and earth shout out there's a creator and if there's a creator there's an accounting
and uh he makes it plain he gave the message to the ancient israel and he gave it to the church
and to you know their salvation in god alone true and in the church salvation alone in jesus christ
in the ancient times i i can't remember all the technical terms for in theological terms
but ancient israel they were to reveal the nature and character or the name of god but instead they
hid it that means they were supposed to reveal who the lord is so people would come and join themselves to the lord and they kept running back to the world and failing in that endeavor
and then the lord spoke a long time ago that he's going to bring the gentiles into the kingdom of
god making one new man between the two and he did that through the church so both jew and
gentile and the rest of the world could come to know jesus salvation through jesus christ alone
and be reconciled back to him and you know so god has done everything in his power
to get people to return to him he gave us a free moral will and like i said in the last
segment on hell and some people don't believe you have free moral will or it's limited free
will or whatever no he gave you free moral will because he's all powerfully able to work through people with free moral will if he wasn't if people didn't he if he limited your free will or if he
was a slave to your free will or if he didn't allow free will and everything's predetermined
then he is not all powerful able to do all things because to work through for people with free will
on a voluntary basis is more powerful than blindly pulling every single strings now i'm
not saying that god can't pull strings because he can drag a nation to punish another nation like that but that's a different scenario but by and large he uses free moral beings like
um any i call it he sprinkles like human chemistry to get people to do certain things
and uh it's interesting how to see how god works in that area i can't really get into it right now but i'll be preaching all night well you know the um that it's interesting
because we're going to transition to heaven by the way you're watching this right now
you will feel better uh at the end of this than you did at the beginning you'll feel motivated
from the beginning and what brian shares is in a critically important message uh but at the
end you're going to see kind of the uh the end of the picture if you will of of how god redeemed and
gave hope and inspiration to brian to allay some of those uh experiences and the effects of them
but before we transition and we will transition after this question if we may um there what
was what struck me was that for each of those persons with whom you either interacted or saw
what how they victimized others the sins that they had expressed in their own life were coming back
to haunt them and my experience in heaven was that i saw my failures but i couldn't
remember them and i prayed to the lord i said why is it i can remember every vivid detail of heaven
but not my failures and he said because i remove them as far as the east is from the west
but what you said essentially in hell was those who were there they were continually haunted like hitler by those that he had um extinguished during the holocaust
uh and and the victimize the victims of those who were victimizers
that that's a striking contrast and was that the case that every person who went to hell
was continually haunted and by that same those same things that they did to uh to affect others
absolutely yes and that's pretty much uh what you sow is what you reap that's what the bible teaches
and that's what was happening they were actually some of them were actually reliving as the victims
and um the stuff and you know sometimes we think we're we we uh you know we're all guilty of this
someone's driving down the road and we start cussing them out because they cut us off or something like that we get really mad at them and stuff and but we don't know what we just did and
it sounds innocent i'm using this as an example like that yeah but it shows our anger that we have
now yeah in hell you would experience uh being an innocent person being yelled at just like
that and you in in it and you could you will feel the same pain and sorrow that it cost say if you
said to somebody that they were no good in in this life are your kids will never amount to nothing or
you're just a low life whatever and it hurt the person feeling like the person in hell would feel
those feelings too they would experience almost everything that they inflicted upon another person
no matter how small or how large and the true them was being uncovered and that's why i always
tell people yeah we ain't as nice as we think i mean we might think that we're very nice and
sweet and stuff and but uh really deep down in the inside when no one can see you and how you
reason and just justify and put people on trial in your minds and all this stuff uh is not very nice
you know just just think of politics randy for a second a particular political party
and and you go there you go okay well we won't go much further than that because
we do want to stay on there um and uh you know um what we're going to do now brian if
if you if you would is to explain how god took this literal hellish experience
and he comforted you after this so you came back to life your heart started beating again
at what point did you transition away from hell and awoke to this world and and then what and then
explain if you will how god gave you this vision of heaven i'm just trying to be as brief as i can
because it could be long but um when i came back out the lord took me and rescued me out of hell
that's where how i ended the whole experience and i set my feet upon the rock there and he
spoke to me he blew on me and i went backwards i traveled backwards through the same void and i
came back and i floated into my body and like a leaf just rocking back and forth and landed
i went right into my feet and i couldn't breathe next thing i knew my neighbor was taking me to
the hospital there i recovered so forth etc and the rest is history and that affected me
and so the this experience in heaven happened about maybe two to two and a half years
uh that's probably 1982 or probably 83 with a two and a half year period somewhere around there
and because i was pretty much a post-traumatic stress thing i didn't know um
what was going on and i didn't even know any post-traumatic stress even existed or anything
you know and i didn't want to tell anybody because you're like i said earlier you think that everybody is going to you know lock you up in a luna stick asylum if he said oh yes i saw hill
yeah right yeah right you know and they say things but instead of sights and sounds and
smells they will trigger memories i couldn't go to the shopping mall and i hated crowds because i see
a crowd of people in there i start sweating and i start shaking i'm looking into it one of those big windows with the display and then when they're dressing a mannequin or something
i'm standing there and i'm i'm literally going back it's it was a weird thing and so and even
back then it was just i didn't want to be around people but the lord had other other means and
things in mind because he never let me be alone so i went to church and as soon as i found myself
praying i never want to go back to that awful place lord i never want to go back there ever again so this drove me to serve god with a vengeance and i drowned
all my stuff in a lot of church activities you know i went into street witnessing which ended
up as a local youth revival in the town that i live in way back in the day and then i opened my
where i lived at with another guy i mean i rented this room out to him he was a christian guy
and so we um opened our house a duplex apartment to 24-hour ministry
with street kids and so i was in that church doing that and i was in the praise band i ran the sound
board i became the head intercessor because the pastor liked how i prayed and i said i don't even
know what an intercessor is but i took the job anyway and so i was a head intercessor
and we were doing deliverances and stuff and uh in the street witnessing um
i just went with a guy and we walked around and talked to the street kids and
and told them about jesus and this and this one kid came up with a broken arm he said if god can
heal my blanket he blink blink blink blink blank arm yeah i might believe okay who laid his hands
on him says lord you heard this heard this man i asked you to heal his arm in jesus name
okay and he flipped us off walked away and said his arm's still broken but he came back the next night without the cast because his cast got loosened up his mom said
your cast is loosened so they went back and had it re-exerted his bone was already fused and healed totally and so he came back with a healed arm and i said wow to me this was normal
this is really normal and that's and this is the type of things that were happening and when the
church i was involved in at that time this type of stuff kind of happened and i didn't i just
thought this was normal i still do but um which is maybe some people think weird but to me that's
the power of god you know but so i just drowned myself in all of this work because i didn't want
to go back to this awful place and i didn't want to lose my salvation i just was terrified of that
and i couldn't do anything other than that because trauma does that to a person
because you always ask why did i come back why am i here and you know and i was just working
myself to death in the church and so what happened was to make a long story short was
we had a series of revival meetings i think it was either four or five nights it was like maybe it
was thursday through sunday or was it wednesday through sunday i can't remember but i was
trans uh going between the praise band and running the sound board so on the last night it was my
time to run the sound board basically i was put in charge of the sound board too so i ran sound
and did sound checks and put all the equipment up and so i thought well you know we were doing 30 to 40 baptisms a night there for all these nights i said sunday night surely surely lord but
hardly please don't let anybody be baptized tonight at least just five so i gotta get off work
and i gotta go home and get up for work because this here at the church is you know i don't wanna go to three in the morning like we've been going i did not want to go that
long and so you know i was getting kind of i was getting kind of a really bad attitude and so um
then they had 30 some people get baptized i didn't get out until real late at night and everybody that's on the salon team left me i was in a foul mood randy i'll tell you
i was in the phillies booth i've ever been and so i drove home and i was in a very unholy mood
and because i left holding the bag got home around between two and three in the morning
i had to get up around 4 30 a.m because i had a 40-minute commute to drive to work
and so my dog had been outside all day i had a german shepherd there and that dog needed
to be fed i was not a happy camper at all so i set the alarm clock at the latest possible time
i can just get up throw some clothes on comb my hair and go to work and i just just said boy this servant god member i guess that's how i was i was not thinking about heaven i never even
heard of heaven experienced this before and i was in an unholy mood so i laid down in bed
and this actually happened and people can doubt it that's fine i don't really mind if people doubt or
say whatever they can you have that right but um the room lit up i were laying down my eyes closed
i was laying on my back my dog is on the sleeping on the bed a double bed there on the down by my
feet and the room lit up and felt like electricity i heard a booming voice that said awake arise
stand to your feet just like was this an audio uh this was an audio voice yeah so did my dog my dog
jumped up and was looking around because the light went out real quick and i looked up and i said
uh go the blank away i need my sleep and then i opened my eyes and i saw my dog being very happy
wagging her tail and she's looking around like you know whimpering like somebody was there okay and then i said i said what in the world that was a strange dream so i went back to lay back
down again happened again the second time awake arise stand to your feet audibly loud the light
was brilliant and i said the same thing i said go away i need my sleep come back again i'm tired
and um and then it was done you're telling the holy spirit or god that it could go away wow
and then my dog was really really happy i mean i said jesus i i didn't i just didn't register
what was going on i was in a bad mood and then the third time it happened wait garage stand to your
feet i did it again but then i threw the covers off my my thing i flipped on the light switch
and i opened up there's i lived in a trailer back then so open up the back trailer door where i
where the dog's pin is or the fenced area was and i literally said i missed the rapture
i literally said that out loud i screamed it out loud i said oh no i missed the rapture
i'm glad nobody was up in that time and then i heard a real still quiet voice very calming
and said to me do you remember how you left before and i said yes lord because i recognized his voice
and so i laid back down in bed and my dog was sitting there and somebody appearance
was petting my german shepherd's head because her ears were going down and she was extremely happy
and more happy with whoever was there than with me but i'm not kidding i'm not kidding so i laid down
and i um said yes lord and then i heard come rosa come and then i was in the spirit and like
paul would say you know i'm not comparing myself with the apostle paul in the spirit out of the body are translated you know that's where people decide but i say i was translated there and i
let people to decide on this because i wasn't expecting this and it wasn't a holy mood at all
and and i got to state this right off um i never received a special revelation or message to share
about uh nor do i have a mandate or a commission or any of that nonsense from this experience did
not get that at all this was a personal experience because much of what i experienced in in heaven
was for me to heal me up about seeing hell and and also it's what the bible says there are
things about heaven that are not lawful to utter a lot of people don't understand what that means
and so i'll try to answer that really quickly you know and a brief synopsis just to help people grab
their head around why now there are things the lord shows isaiah the apostle john and
the prophets and ezekiel and so forth heaven that are loud and they're things that are not
okay there's so there's the so i want to talk about the things that are not allowed to be uttered first off you can't utter them because there's no way you can articulate them
and the other reason is this in ezekiel chapter 28 verses 11 through 19 it talks about a covering
cherub who walked amongst the fiery stones talking about lucifer himself and he walked before
god he was in the garden you know this cherub was in the garden of eden in that tree there and he
tempted adam and eve and he adam and eve joined the hubristic rebellion this is this is that
entity he was uh created perfect on the day he was created until iniquity was found in his heart it
wasn't placed there it was found and it said this very interesting verse verse 16 of ezekiel 28 says
who by the abundance of his trading by his trading or trafficking became filled with violence within
now what in the world is trading what is this trafficking what was he doing was he selling gold and silver uh no there's something else he was doing and uh what what did he do that traffic
that filled him with injustice doing wrong to become filled with violence and cruelty to achieve
exalting his throne above god at all costs what was he trading what did how did he lead the
one-third of the angels into this re rebellion it was the secrets about god's character and nature
and how to pick god those character traits against god himself in other words to make
god live up to his own standards in order to prove to god that he ain't god
so that the devil can exalt his throne above god making everything and everybody his servant
you can't get rid of god because if you got rid of god all life would cease he wants to exalt his throne like a above gods to be in charge and he knows things about the lord
and he started selling the secrets of this stuff and those are the things that can't be uttered
that is why paul said it's not lawful to utter certain things because um people would
mis apply these the devil sure did you know you're like guys like i said earlier isaiah apostle john
ezekiel zachariah they all saw snippets of heaven and it's very well documented that you there are
certain things you can see in heaven but other things you can't utter because it revolves around
things about his character traits that no human words can actually explain so i'd just like for people to imagine if such knowledge was released today
how some person would use the secrets like that to sell in traffic here on earth
for 1995 and formulas and methods to get god to do this and that i mean this is what would go on
and there's this cosmic war i won't get into going on where the devil's trying to get god to act contrary to himself and he's he's going to fail he always
will fail because he's messing with god if you see the lord you know what i'm talking about
there's just something about the lord you can't you can't trick him
well there's a revelation that he imparted obviously to john in the book of revelation in the bible and
you know as you referenced in paul's experience in the third heaven and that's been a question
that some people have asked in terms of the details that we've added of accounts including mine of uh details in heaven but you reference the character the nature of god which is expressed in
intimacy and relationship with god um for somebody and and poets and writers have tried to express
the lord in terms that are not in our lexicons in all of the languages in the world because
the relationship with god expresses it it expresses him to us but it is that relationship
the accoutrements of heaven are one thing and of course the expression of god to us in terms
of what he tells us and what he shares openly with us but here's how i kind of
brian think of it and encapsulating it you know what what is of god and what is not if
if a person is expressing a message which draws the attention to themselves that is not of god
that's of them if the person is drawing them toward god that is one the person becomes more
desirous of knowing god of being immersed in his presence god's presence a way not apart
from who's expressing it the author or whomever uh that is of god because his attempt the attention
must be focused on him and and satan of course the devil is always referencing as you said with hell
referencing back to the individual the allure the attraction is to the person and not to god
that's exactly right that's the difference between isaiah's experience zachariah ezekiel the apostle
john and others who've seen heaven is when you come back it's not about you materialism loses
its flavor and it's all about glorifying jesus and pointing people to jesus because you experience the lord high and lifted up it does something to you that makes you undone but also
there's so much there that that does to you you just don't want to glorify yourself
you don't want to exalt yourself you just want people to see jesus christ and how good and how
great he is and you want to see the attributes and character traits of the lord that are in the bible
so that people can understand them like he said to moses the lord is good merciful forgiving uh
you know he's he'll still hold the guilty accountable but you know he's willing to forgive
but he'll hold the guilty accountable you know to the third and fourth generation uh the lord is our rock he's our salvation all these parts are his character traits that i want to share but the
ones that are that you can't utter there's no way to express them and those things i
would be what the devil was trafficking how to put god's nature against it's so god would
be able to deny himself you can't go there and those those things i can't even utter because i
can't explain them in the first place but nobody can drag them out of me if they tried because
i'm not gonna i'm not gonna do it and uh you can't utter those things because the temptation of some
people to glorify themselves and make themselves out of something really big and great is just too
great for them to handle they can't handle it they need i know when you see the lord high and lift it up and i think you can verify this but i really do feel it that it it really humbles you to
see the lord it really does to see heaven and you just want to glorify jesus people don't understand
how you know they call it radical that is but you just want to see people come to know christ
and know him i don't want him to know me i want to know jesus don't look to me look to jesus that's all i got to say because that's what it does to you when you see heaven and you see the lord if
you really see him yes and you you're a humble man brian um when i got back to you and i said
well you know hundreds of thousands are watching you uh your response was oh it's not great or
whatever i wanted that because you didn't desire that you desired that god be lifted up so god
is it god or an angel do you think spoke to you in that room i have i think it was an angel i mean i
don't really know but the lord speaks in a still quiet voice i did hear that still quiet voice and
i recognized it and he said come and so i found myself going through that same black void uh
floating in that black void toward the same light but this time it was entirely different randy
i was going home and if i started crying it was just the experience because that's where i just you know that's what jesus gave us i was going home and this is my home
and and this this this is my savior and i'm going home that's the feeling i got it was very intense
i'm going home and i wasn't it wasn't like before where i had when the love of god was exposing my wicked heart and how i exploited and took advantage of his love for
my own gain and his patience and his kindness and his goodness uh i took advantage of it no
this was i'm going home on his i'm accepted in the beloved and i'm secure in him i i'll
never forget that experience as long as i live and it's just just going going and going home
and that was the greatest experience and i was just floating through there chilling out listening to the heavenly choir sing and this time it was totally different it was beautiful it was
awesome and um so people always wonder you know what happened next you know so i just saw jesus in
again he was standing upon the same rock suspended in space but as i was approaching the rock
there was this big heavenly city in the background that would open up like a veil i could see these big huge walls they're pretty much what the bible describes about the walls of of heaven and
stuff that ezekiel saw and so this is magnificent but i came back to jesus standing there and again
i i fell down and it was totally different and i got up someone picked me up again and
only thing i can correlate to is i was standing by a gate and and i did some research this would
be like a gate to a sheet pen or a sheepskate and and where a shepherd would lay down and sleep in
front of this thing called the sheep gate then you know what it says in john chapter 10 is that
jesus said unto them again verily verily i say to you i'm the door of the sheep and now that's kind
of the scripture that hit my head at the time it just came to me it's like here's jesus standing at the door at the sheep gate and he's welcoming me there and he didn't have his hood on and um
i was i saw his face and he looks very jewish but then his face would change and um people say what
does jesus look like and i always tell people i can't really tell you because he kept changing um
word of glory one minute then he looked like this the next minute and then he kind of looked like uh image of that if you take the shroud of taren's image and you take that uh painting that
young girl did she's not a young girl now but she his painting of jesus overlay that
you get very close to one of the faces i saw as he spoke and people go well well wait a minute
that doesn't make sense well mark chapter 16 verse 12 says this he says after that he
appeared in another form unto two of them as they walked and went into the country
and a lot of times even the apostles didn't recognize him when he appeared to them in the room
he didn't recognize him at the sea of galilee when he appeared in john chapter 21. the only thing i
could say would be like zechariah i saw one like the son of man and i can't explain it glorious one
moment white hair like he's described in the book of revelation to a very jewish looking guy but
it was so so such love and compassion and it was almost like i can't understand why anybody would
crucify him or want him dead i mean i i just to this day i because it's almost like the full
compassion of god was in him and such love and compassion in him that how could they crucify him
i just never could wrap my head around that after meeting him because maybe that was with you you felt the same thing randy or no yes well i think it reflects back on what you were
talking about in hell one can be so um demented uh that their conscious their ability to discern
good from evil so that what they interpret as as good as evil and evil is good i mean here
you have consummate goodness consummate love and jesus and yet they interpret that as evil
and that is that's kind of what you saw in hell wasn't it yeah version of truth so i saw
and when i see the lord up there like that and he welcomed me with that big smile in those eyes
and uh it's like it just melts you and your home and that's all i can think i'm home
and um so what what a contrast between your initial experience after you had died
you you see the lord and and you see jesus but he's telling you you can't enter into heaven
now you are uh you know jesus as lord and savior this experience is in the entire opposite it
seems like he's opening his arms and saying now enter in uh for my beloved and and you have this
entree now that you didn't have before and all of a sudden your response to jesus is not one of
of a judge so much as it is one who loves you consummately totally is that would that be
fair that would be that would be accurate and very accurate and wait wait till when i got into heaven boy i tell you that that was something but i entered in
at the sheep gate and there's this big wall there beautiful wall with the gems and stuff in it and
um and he spoke to me said basically you know he speaks my thought there and he's telling me that
um i saw hell you need to see heaven i got to calm you down about what you saw in hell i mean there's
this this is for you brian i'm going to heal you from what he saw it's terrible place he
knows and um so god knows all things you know he knows and so so from there we started walking uh
past the gate and along this wall it's kind of a windy path up to this what i call a pearly
gate i'll explain that in a minute and it kept looking at the wall and how beautiful it was
and so the thing that always pondered me was why in the bible in the book of ezekiel and
other places heaven is described with having a wall and that doesn't make sense you know like
you know but it does make sense because the wall is for our protection because our mortal nature
cannot handle seeing the full majesty of the lord that's revealed in heaven and this this
is brought out in the story when moses wanted to see the full majesty of the lord in his full form
and his glory and then god says no you can't i'll pass by and he hid moses in the cleft of the rock
and he walked past by and he proclaimed his name on his character traits and he revealed specific
character traits that you know the hebrew ancient hebrew people were to tell the world about who
what god's like you know god's not this individual who lets anything go he has his love his love has
boundaries so forth etc there's a lot of things in about the wall that i learned from that but um
so we walked up to this great big pearly white gate it was beautiful white and had this blue
swirling living color and it would swirl around in it and they're a angel angelic beings coming out
and going forth to do assignments and hebrews chapter 1 verse 14 would say
are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation
that's what angelic beings they're sent to how to do tasks you read about that all through the bible
uh yeah first kings chapter 22 there about the death of ahab and it shows you
how the lord has involves his creation as angels to carry out his will and delegates authority to
carry it out gets the best plan he has a plan he wants this done so what's the best way to do it
he involves his creation that really baffles a lot of theologian's minds certain class of theologians
but that god would involve his creation but when you see the lord you understand why um he's able to do it that's why and so i saw some of their tasks at work
you know pastor or minister couldn't get a message and his family was going haywire and last minute
he sent an angel to give a message of inspiration at the last minute the last second to a pastor so
you can preach in this church you know things i saw things like that and i saw you know on
assignments to keep somebody from going too fast and stopping them and getting them really really
mad while they're driving to save their life from a bad accident down the road those were the type
of things i was seeing and uh was being revealed to me and i thought i'm just i'm chilling out
there i was just chilling out there watching this stuff and it was it was interesting to see and um
so i always you know warn people don't go angel crazy you know but uh but you know
a true angel of the lord will never have you worship him or they really don't stick around
they do a task and they go back i saw that was so plain to me i don't even know why i saw it until years and years and years years later it started to make sense that's what you know god
has assignment for angels they do their tasks and they leave they don't really hang around so someone's hanging around and better um find out if it's a god or not that's all i got to say
rebuke it see what happens um in jesus name so that's all i gotta say and i saw their task
and so then we entered in this pearly gate and i gotta tell you about it it was uh in this had a passageway going through it's huge it was long narrow and straight and it was bathed in the
purest white light i could ever imagine our human eyes cannot see these colors they really can't
you cannot see these colors i'll talk about bright light and white zooms up you're accustomed to it
there but it was the purest light i have ever seen in my life emanating from this and then i also
learned as i look back and reflect on heaven and what i saw everything in heaven that i saw like
like the book of revelation has meaning or in the book of ezekiel and he describes heaven or zechariah describes it there are meanings and symbols there and everything has meaning in heaven
pointing out biblical truths about the lord our nature's character and especially jesus
so as i walk through this passageway and i know this will sound very strange i notice
that the passageway was painstakingly chiseled like someone took a chisel with a small little
teeny nail and it was chiseling its way through at our spear point gouging out parts of the pearl
to make this passageway and as we were walking through there there and jesus was in front of me
and this was the most profound message of the cross was was came to me as i walked
through there it's all in the bible it's all in the scriptures there's nothing new about it and but it had more revelance and clarity and meaning than how it's presented mostly today and
um jesus is our substitutionary atonement don't let people ever say he's not i'm just saying that
right now so what was revealed was that 24 hours before jesus jesus gave up his ghost on the cross
are the most important aspect of the cross and it's often the most overlooked why because as i
each chisel strike i saw in that wall i understood how he was plotted against
i could see it i could see he was betrayed abandoned in the garden of eden reject rejected
put on trial had false witnesses bore against him he was abused spat upon mocked struck
and beaten then he was taken and demanded that he perform some sign and wonder to
to the king there king herod and then he was taken to a governing authority where a deal
was struck to put him to death then jesus was made to carry a heavy weight that he could not bear and
and they forced another person to bear that weight and then they beaten mocked and gaffed at him
all he owned his clothes are stolen from him and cast lots for and he was crucified why this was struck me for doing good healing people setting people free
casting out demons and revealing who god is that he is not a big meanie in the sky but he does hold
people to account and he wants you back in the boundaries of his love and not to abuse his love
and so um so what i saw there was that that 24 hours before the he gave up the ghost on
the cross was revealing the iniquity that was hidden in the heart that jeremiah chapter 17
talks about that human beings don't realize they have iniquity in the human heart is revealed
by how we have done the same things betrayed abandoned friends family strangers ourselves god
and that just struck me like a ton of bricks then he died in our place paying
our sin debt hanging on a cross for our sins that were exposed by us
putting him on the cross now people say uh god the father put him on the cross yes he did but how can
a sinless god impute sin on a sinless sacrifice if god had no sin and and if he did it himself
then that would be a violation of the very law that jesus fulfilled because in the law the chief
priest or the people would have to lay their hand on the sacrifice and confessed their
sins he used the people to do that the chief priests laid their hands they confessed over him
they mocked goff beat him and he put that's how it that's how it was done and so
all the law was fulfilled the law of sacrifice every to the iota to the absolute
perfection of that was all fulfilled there so then jesus died in our place paying our sin debt and
full experiencing the full wrath of god hanging on the cross for our sins that were exposed by
putting him on the cross and then when then as i was walking through there and i was thinking in the midst of all the pain that he was going through hanging there because i understood
his bones pulled out a joint he said father forgive them for they know not what they do
man i tell you around you love like that and to bear the wrath of god on our place on our
cross and our place i can't wrap my head around that kind of love to me it would be fry them
you know and it also explains in the bible and and the bible is does not explain exactly what this
was about but jesus actually descended into hell uh essentially depositing presenting before satan
himself and his minions that he had paid the price he had sacrificed himself laid that sacrifice down
and said now i um have uh for those who confess me the bible doesn't say that by the way but
something happened there that he had laid it down it was a presentation from that point out on um
those who had been saved that is those who received jesus as lord and savior could not uh
be at the if be rendered at the final judgment at the effect of satan himself
of his demons so you could not you could not suffer um that that same experience because
you were an atheist before now you're a believer that that jesus christ that name that you declared
the jesus christ before them where they could not devour you now is imparted to you uh vis-a-vis the
holy spirit you're the temple so now you carried the presence of the lord with you
they could not it wasn't just the sheer name of jesus it was the presence of god that you carry
with you they had no they could not devour that no not only could they not devour you
they they had to uh through christ be submissive to uh christ's authority through you
mm-hmm you know that's a great mystery that no one it says in ephesians jesus went into
the to the current hell there and i agree with most theologians on this that he went there uh to
proclaim victory and that he led captivity captive he led the the in seoul and the cosmology of the
ancient world there the ancient jewish people he had shield the place of the righteous dead that
followed the law and had faith like abraham and then you had those who were condemned was a large
segment of the world's population they were just unsaved lost and so jesus went to proclaim victory
and led the righteous dead and and i think matthew kind of explores that and it's all a mystery it's
all confusing because we really don't know what happened but the graves were opened and when his resurrection so some people some theologians say that was when
um he led captivity captive those people went to to the current heaven because he
he he paid the price for them because they were the righteous israelites and stuff who died like
moses and the rest of them and elijah and all that elijah was taken in heaven but elijah and
the others who have passed on and they're there and with him in the current heaven i
just thought that was you know i thought that was interesting so i kind of agree with a lot of theologians on that aspect of it but you know it's one of those great mysteries and i just it
always i was marvel at that and i just take it that jesus proclaimed victory led captivity the
righteous dead out of hell up to heaven and the devil could have no say on the matter hallelujah
and and you were there and caught up in the spirit as paul was caught up into the third
heaven as he explained you're there with the lord it sounds like at the gate of heaven and so
he is revealing these things to you what happens at that point he's healing you a ptsd by revealing
to you heaven what happened at that point did did he send you back did he tell you other things well
actually we were walking through the gate and this is like a journey here so we came through the gate and we entered heaven and that's what happened this is where i got healed i i would say
and i got winter and entered into heaven i wanted the most beautiful place i've ever seen
the atmosphere there was what i would call i just nicknamed it myself the land of liquid love
the love of god not some sort of wimpy love but it kind of you know what i'm talking about randy i
know you do i can't explain it i want to explain it it is completely immersive being immersed
in love which is the exodus description of god yeah i mean i was like i was very overwhelmed by
how god unconditionally cherishes because love god loves definition from etymology of the word agape
means to cherish nurture take care of edified discipline i was overwhelmed by all that the
firmness of god's love and how he cherishes nurtures and takes care of it edifies and builds
up any disciplines and all this stuff about god's love hit me it was like uh i can't explain it and
that trains and equips us in this life so that we can live in his presence and never to take
advantage of it again by what we learn on earth i mean that may not make sense to people but to me it does but it's like um it was all kind of hitting me all at once
and it was like like you said earlier we have been sealed by the blood of the lamb jesus christ
we are bought at a so greater price we are his we will never rebel again in an amazing and an
amazing way because we surrendered our lives to him we don't want glorification for ourselves we
want him to be glorified because he's far greater than anything especially when you experience that
love it's like wow where's my crown here take it here take everything you you just that that's how
it is when you get there you just it's i'm yours i'm just and it's just amazing um
and you know just that powerful overwhelming love and and his love is defined by his
absolute justice mercy his holiness his grace his patience his goodness his truth
how he's eternal all of it and how he comforts everybody he's all powerful almighty all that's
wrapped up in the love of god um yeah i think first john or says that if you translate out of
the greek it says god is love it means a god as to is nature is one that loves so everything he
has that has an aspect of love and a lot of people don't understand that a part of agape's definition
is righteousness and holiness and separation and living true to the lord and faithfully truth all
faithfully faithfully to the lord all that's wrapped up in this word of agape and to love each
other to live faithfully to one another and yeah i was so overwhelmed by what hit me there and i
still can't articulate it correctly and um so what i was doing there i was i felt that great love and
i was standing with jesus and he was smiling and he we were in this great heavenly meadow that's
all i could call it there's some trees around there and when i called it the field of reunion
it was a place where i saw these grander unions happening where people were reconciled i can't
describe it other than that i saw a man that came in from behind us and entering the heaven and
all of a sudden he saw his dad and everybody in heaven is looks perfect they're about 30 years old
and no flaws no bad hair nothing and um and he recognized his dad his dad came to him
and he said dad how did you get to heaven you know and i knew by standing there with jesus and he was
was revealed to me that he um his dad didn't get along and he tried to witness to his dad
years before he died before his dad died that you know come to jesus and the dad cussed him out and
said all he needs is beer alcohol whatever blah blah you know just a typical smart aleck and then
so he walked away from his dad really mad and never went back to him never saw him again so he saw him in heaven there and he and he said son i know i remember your words when i got my
cancer i got saved thank you they hugged each other the animosity just drifted off of them
and i get choked up about this because that's what i saw there i saw the healing that that jesus did
i mean just there was no animosity you know we write off people that we we think and we also
never get saved and they get saved later you just might meet them in heaven and be quite surprised
and then all your imaginations about that person is going to be erased it's going to
be erased you're not even going to remember it ever again yeah one of the most amazing things
i saw was people who lost little kids and um so these people would rise up and they got entered
into heaven and they saw this little baby crawling toward him and then another person saw this little
kid running toward him and that was their son who has died in a car wreck or died of something
and they would grow up in front of their eyes and said hi mom hi dad and what was really really amazing is these these christian women who live under such guilt because they had abortions
and um all right this just choked me up because here i saw this woman enter into heaven and i know
that she was probably tormented by what she did and she gets there and she sees this baby crawling
up to her and she started freaking out because the baby grew up in front of her and said hi mom they
hugged each other and they went off and um you know it just went off they have eternity together
it was a beautiful thing to see it was like that's why i called a field of reunion every all accounts were like settled there and you're left a clean slate in fact
memories like you would say like you said earlier of your past your sins was gone it's it's wiped
clean and it was like that when you enter into heaven it's like scrub from you and i was seeing
some of that scrubbing because some people need to be scrubbed pretty hard because they
they left enough this world thinking no dad uh boy man i cussed out dad or i don't know i didn't like
my dad he didn't mean to me and then i witnessed to him and he didn't receive it now here he is in
heaven and he thanked me it was just powerful to see that thank them for witnessing to them
you know that is uh that uh what you expressed in terms of the children those who had uh not been born that uh died in the womb we have had a number of accounts of people
including my own of seeing those children uh in heaven and i know that's lended so much comfort so
much comfort to a lot of people uh that that they are um redeemed in heaven so thank you for sharing
that yeah i mean that was something that that the lord told me i asked him lord what does all this mean because i went after after the experience coming back from heaven i got in the bible and he
said simply in fact i got a preacher when i was at the church i was with or another church or and he
was preaching on let the little children come unto me do not forbid them to come and then it hit me like a ton of bricks yeah that's understandable he wants the children to come unto him
amen they don't have the mental capacity as we adults now their age of accountability they come
at 10 years old it can come at 12 it could come at you know 50 60 if they're just mentally disabled
to some capacity i saw people who were dd who who died in their older age in heaven meeting their
parents and who who lost them and and there's no way that you know they could have ever you
know they had spinal diffie or whatever you call that disease and they're just a vegetable and now
they're all healed and perfectly normal and now they're with their parents in heaven and it's all
beautiful i mean it was great to see this stuff happening you know um just amazing just amazing
wow what a contrast what a what a contrast we had mentioned at the start of this that the final part
of this discussion would just be uplifting um and here you are in heaven an angel perhaps calls you
out wakes you up uh i found it interesting that your dog was just having fun being patted by the
by the angel and wagging her tail um so you are is is there anything else in heaven that the lord
showed you before you return uh yeah there's just a lot of things there you know i um we we left the
field of reunion as i call and he stood there and he asked me do you want to go to the city
i could see the city and or do you want to go in the countryside he already knew the answer i had
enough of cities i grew up in urban areas and i used to go to my grandparents farm in southwest
virginia and stay my summers there just to get away from the insanity of living in a big city
i said the countryside he already knew that so we walked along this road and the it was i would
call a dirt road but it was gold it was gold like gold dust it was like ground gold
and then heavenly like they had paved streets of gold is i know some people they are people think
that's a contrived or you know the they think this uh wizard of oz sort of thing but no i mean not
not just ourselves but others have testified that this is in fact what it looks like and so i was
walking on this gold dust road and we were just walking along it it went into a forest because
i like forest i like to hike and i like the outdoors i like going camping and all that stuff
and did a lot of that when growing up and stuff and i just love the outdoors and love the farm
and the rural area so here's where we went we went into the countryside and um we saw trees and we
went into this forest and i was looking at these trees and people were in the trees taking care of
the trees and everybody's having a good time two women came up to me and asked jesus if they could
tell them who they were and he said no and it was cool i wasn't allowed to communicate with the people in heaven at all and there was a reason for that if that would be necromancy no no no it
was all cool i couldn't talk to anybody there he wouldn't allow that and i was and that was fine
and so him and i would walk and you know you can talk to angels and stuff i won't go there right
now but you these people you just couldn't talk to and at least i couldn't i didn't know who these
ladies were and it would never recognize them if i ever saw them unless i get to heaven i'll find out who they are but we were walking except for the ones that were close that you mentioned that yeah
loved ones yes yeah it's just the close ones but you know i'm walking along there and
i'm just sitting there and and watching the people taking care of these big beautiful trees
they're perfect they're huge and they're up there and a scripture came to my mind it's isaiah 61
where it says that we are the plantings of the lord but it's verses one through three that really
hit me is that the spirit of the lord god is upon me to heal the i mean give good news to
the christian spirit and heal the brokenhearted to accept that set at liberty the people held captive
and those who are impressed in the prisons and to give the oil a joy for gladness and to teach of
the righteous judgment of god these people will be called plantings the trees of righteousness
and so i was thinking hmm wow you know this this this is pretty good you know it was like you know
we are seeing this and the scriptures would be coming to mind as i'm walking along is what i'm trying to say and so uh so i thought wow we are the plantings of the lord and we are to
provide the shade and the comfort to those around us we're to uh basically come back to what we were
actually designed to be and learn how to do what we were just adam and eve were designed to be to
govern our world according to the character traits of god that's the image and likeness of god we
are to reflect it's justice's mercy his loving his kindness his mercy his truth his ability to defend
and take care of and nurture and build up is how we are to govern that's the image and
likeness we were to reflect on earth okay not to be some separate entity or some little god
nonsense like that but to reflect his own character parts of his character
to govern our families boy if we did that we would be the best we are today he really wouldn't
and that's why the bible always says we got we got to learn to love each other because that's what we
were designed to be we're going to do it in heaven anyway so here we are so i'm walking through
heaven and through all the flowers and the blades of grass beautiful trees i saw these vineyards
and and the fruit trees i can't even describe with huge fruit on them it's other small fruit whatever
and you didn't there's no reason to eat there but you could eat a piece of fruit if you want i never
did but i had an opportunity to but i never did but you just kind of could eat there if you want
but it's not for gluttony or even the survival it was just to enjoy and taste that the lord is good
the only way i can i can put it when these big beautiful flowers small flowers the colors
uh everything is um outstanding there was no sun shining there because like the bible says the
sunlight or the light comes from the glory of god and it's another dimension i don't know what else
to say it's a different human eye cannot explain the scenery adequately i can't even draw it i know
some people have tried and hats off to them i can relate to some of what they painted and said about
heaven but there really is we have a we have a hard time explaining the scenery because it's
too beautiful too pro fast perfect it's a perfect place and it reflects the presence of
jesus throughout it does it does it really it does it's it's like all jesus it's just it is it's like
and nothing nothing dies everything is living and yes uh god's love is imparted throughout uh all
of creation but uh his foremost they're ourselves made in made in god's image yeah there's so much i
saw up there i don't know how much time we have but i'll try to shorten it a little bit but so
we came to a place um it's kind of hard to explain but the bible talks about it
and it was a most beautiful place jesus and i just walked up to this place and it was a beautiful
most beautiful garden area i've ever seen it was a garden and it was absolutely outstandingly
beautiful i was not allowed to go any further than the border area and for some reason i knew jesus
was there but his physical presence was not there and so but i looked into to my right and there's
this big huge angel is very tall up there and he was watching what was going on over from this area
and then he's looking at me at the same time he had four faces and the human face was facing me
i could see the other faces there i mean if anyone saw one of these things they'd be scared to death
but i wasn't just saying this this was a this was a cherubim or an angel whatever you know i don't know what class of the angelic being he was but he was big and i wasn't afraid of him
i just stood there watching this progression and what i was going to say is pretty much what john
saw daniel saw and i call it i've always called it the heavenly counsel
and it's a it's it's just what goes on there is described in first kings 22 verses 13 through 28.
it's described in daniels and daniel saw a mere out of angels and judgment was was
given in this place and it's a big huge beautiful garden-like place and i can't even describe it
i couldn't tell if it was inside of a building or what but it was a garden it is huge and all
these angels and other people there were there praising god and singing and stuff and their
way off in the distance was a brilliant light and the presence of god was there it was like
god in his full majestic form was there and he was surrounded by four uh big angels with their wings
outstretched covering the glory so it wouldn't consume people and there he would issue orders
and decrees and tell what his will is and involve his angels in creation and sign them their tasks
so they go out through the gates and do their task that's what it was that's what first kings chapter
22 verse 13 and 28 it actually teaches and says if you don't know what that means go and read it
that's first kings chapter 22 verses 13 and 28 about the death of ahab a very wicked guy
and this was a place where the full majesty of god's love was shielded by the angel wings but
shined through and it just left an impression upon me this was a most holy place and you
cannot run and jump on god's lap and say oh hi old buddy rue in that place i tell you
um i came away from that with an awesome respect from the lord and and seeing that you're like
humbled and plus at the same time i got some healing there from seeing hell that i can't
even explain it left this never has come back i just stood there listening and watching this
this stuff going on there and how involved god is with his creation and all of my new details
and how he's assigned he likes to work with his creation his creative beings of note there to
what do you think about this well i want this done but what do you say house house what's the best
way to carry it out well i have this idea that's oh well i think that's a great idea to go do it and uh it's a strange concept but read it in second first king or second second kings yes
first kings chapter 22 13 and 20. it's about the death of ahab i may have got the chapter wrong
like there are two kings there but anyway would you would you call that the uh throne room of god
i would i don't i call it a heavenly council chamber it could be the throne room i just call it that's my personal definition for and i stuck with that and it's kind of what you see in the bible
what's described there and i guess that would be the throne i mean maybe i mean i wasn't allowed too close just on the border if i i couldn't go any further and i knew why i just wasn't ready but
other people were down there were worshiping the lord and it was it was a one beautiful uh praise
fest you know i can uh empathize with much of what you're talking about if not all of it um
ecclesiastes maybe you can recall the the verse talks about there nothing new
is under the sun there's nothing new under the sun and yet god is declaring the newness the creation
that he's declaring that because god is the creator and so that that which is created comes
from god and and god alone in all things good exactly right and um that was the most beautiful
place i just can't describe what i saw i just remember over there near the throne these hedges
and how perfectly they looked how immaculately they they were kept in these trees these perfectly
geometrically shaped beautiful living trees nearby and and and then all of a sudden um it was like i
heard someone say come with us to come so i turned around and left and there was jesus then we walked
walked away from this place and he started walking through heaven and seeing the scenery again
and um this will this is in the bible it kind of explains kind of what i saw
and it says um there is a big river in heaven okay and it flows from the throne of god ezekiel chapter 47 describes that river as a over 4 000 cubics wide 1 000 cubic is up to
your knees another thousand cubic then it gets to 4 000 cubic is over your head and
that same on the other side so it's just 8 000 maybe 10 000 cubic that is miles wide and it's
that's what's called the river of life what was struck me over these huge trees and their leaves
would dip into the water and i read the book of revelation if i was and and i said maybe that one
that big tree maybe that was a tree of life it was leaves dripping in in there and i've
always pondered that and i and i'm pretty sure that's what i saw because um that is a big river
and uh it was flowing out what was really struck me because we walked along the river then um
we came to a tributary now tributaries in in this planet here our plane flow into rivers
here the river the tributaries are flowing out from the river it's complete opposite then than
what what we think here so i say the tributary of the river of life that we walked along and
we kind of went around in the countryside and i i saw all these vineyards i saw the people
uh these bread ovens and stuff like that where the and stuff like the bread ovens represent the uh
the word of god and um to be dispensed to people like a you know this will sound really strange but
it'd be like an angel would god would sign an angel to give a person a word it would be the
living bread and deposit that into them that sounds strange i saw some things like that
and they would get insight from the bible or something like that and they don't even know how they got it they had the oic moment and this river was uh and so this
tributary we came to this place and wanted to just just kind of wrap it up with this and make it kind
of quick here i saw all these kids playing in the river in this tributary from the river of
life and then you know it's just a small stream or a brook probably you know 20 30 feet wide
and they're playing and splashing each other and so here comes jesus and they saw jesus and all the kids run up to him and he gets in the water he's kicking the water on him and they were splashing
and and so beck and me to come over then we all splashed water on me we kind of splashing we
had fun and i saw an aspect of jesus i've never seen i know he's the lord of glory
uh but i saw him as approachable you know he was like the life of the party full of
love he enjoys people's company he's very affable it was fun to be around
he could tell really great stories and jokes no wonder people wanted to be around him i mean clean jokes he was a lor lord of glory and he was not this austere figure with a baseball bat
the love and compassion in him really shined when he saw the children and he was playing with the children in there and getting everybody soaking wet without getting cold
and we were splashing in the river that tributary from the river of life i actually wrote a song about that and um but anyway it was just a great experience and it was like a cleansing
happened at that time to me and more stuff from hell was released off of me my anxieties about
losing salvation or was gone and um i knew i was his and this was my home at that point
yeah you had uh referenced you know i i had uh saw the river of life flying from uh
jesus and what you referenced and we've heard from others testify of that river
of life having seen it revelation 22 1. says then he showed me and this is john
uh authoring this from the uh god's inspiration then he saw showed me a river of the water of life
clearest crystal coming from the throne of god and of the lamb amen
that's what it was it's crystal clear you can see deep down inside of it i i can't explain it but
but we we came to near the near the ending of of the journey in heaven we came to uh this overlook
it was a special place for me to see because as we were walking along i could see these grand
estates when i say grand estate or mansions i'm never been to the biltmore in north carolina and
that originally that was on 5 000 acres so when you say a mansion it's not some mansion like we
think and next to it is another house like we live in suburbia this is a 5 000 acre place
and this is where people will live he prepared a place for them and all who you affect it for
christ will live around you and can visit you anytime day or night and you never get tired
of them and they never get tired of you and they never wear out their welcome and you're purified
and you welcome them and uh heaven is and there's a communal sense of people you know we we close
the door and we turn on the tv or whatever read a book hopefully yeah but not there right it's a
communal sense of yeah that's living his family yeah you have your own mansion but it's a great
big place everybody lives around each other and their place and it's just it's a and i i can't
describe the architecture um it kind of kind of reminded me of a really beautiful gold stucco type
thing with different designs and stuff in it sort of like talos new mexico the flows there it kind
of reminded me of that other the geometric shapes were i don't know how the buildings actually stood because they were um grand to look at so we were walking through this place and then we came to
this overlook and i saw this special place and i saw this guy and i don't and he was fishing
in this in the tributary another tributary of the river of life i'm going fishing and i'm going wow
hey i'm fishing here hallelujah i mean i wonder if it's catch and release you know i don't know but it was fishing and so i and i i i sit there and he waved to me and smiled and i said way back
and smiled and he went back to fishing and he was laughing a little bit and jesus was laughing a little bit and i for all these years i never knew who that was and then years later wasn't
too long ago probably maybe eight years ago that my aunt sent me some photographs of my grandfather
when he was 30 years old that would be 1900 that was my grandfather was born in 1877
and he was a fiery methodist preacher also a strict disciplinarian too as we'll get into
all that but he um i he was in a nice little town called los angeles and he went to the
los angeles bible institute and the dean of the school at the time was r.a torrey
and at the time was the time of the azusa street revival and what people don't realize about azusa
street every denomination if they disagree with speaking in tongues were involved in that so i don't know what part he had played in that azusa street because know he was there
found that out and he died in i think 1963 when i was five years old he came and we went to the old
soldiers home where he was he laid his hands on me and spat peas on me praying in another language
shaking me to death and all the people were trying to pull them off and scared me to death but um that was the guy i saw at 30 years old he was a fisher of men that was my grandfather
wow wow you know that's him and i go down and i saw that photograph my aunt's and i go that's him
that's him and now i know who that is i wondered all these years and speculated could it be this person did give me that person no just that's my grandfather
and he was waving he was a fisherman wow little did i know i would become a fisher of men too
that is incredible wow that and that that he would the lord would show you that and that you would be a fisher of men many have come to know the lord
with the street revival and all the evangelism stuff that i did back then and the you know what we did what the lord did through us i should say because it was his
his job we just kind of went along for the ride and i you know and so i was into
getting people saved as much as possible and that was getting people to the lord so yeah
so he must have prayed an anointing on me or something when he did that and i had and i had relatives verify that that happened so my little kid in mind didn't make that up yes yes but anyway
so it was time to near and we're leaving we're gonna get ready to leave heaven so to speak because my time was up i guess and i had to get back you know and so and he said i'm gonna she
just basically it was time to go through the city so he went through the city and then i all i can
say about heaven is you know where everything is in heaven in an instant and how you travel there as fast or slow as you want you can fly there if you want i mean it's just the transportation mode
is quite different than what we think it is but we kind of ambled along next thing i know we were in the city and walking in the streets of gold there and we came to this big big huge place and
we walked inside this building to this day i don't know how it could stand because we entered at one end and walked through the whole to the other to the other side it was a great big banquet hall
and people were busy inside preparing along with some angels and angelic beans were preparing
for a wedding feast we walked through there and i was amazed at how beautiful it was and
and how glorified and how perfect everything is going to be in this wedding hall and preparation
hall what are you going to call it and and this it was like you sit on the floor recline on the floor
and everything's beautiful designed tables of stuff long cables and it just i can't describe
how beautiful it was we went from one end to the other real fast and we we got out and
you know we walked back to where the pearly gate was and he mentioned for me to turn around and
i saw this place being prepared and it was just what the book of revelation says i'm not adding
to the book of revelation because it's there and don't let people think that i'm adding to it but
it's it is a big cube it's a shape it's the new jerusalem i saw it being prepared and built and it
wasn't and that was in the 19 1983ish time period it wasn't quite time then but it was returning we
left and i said i've always wondered why you showed that to me you know maybe just to teach
me something about rev book of revelation about the new jerusalem that's going to come down out of heaven and so when i studied that extensively after that to try to get better understanding and
uh still trying to understand it all and so we walked away from there and went through the
through the young great pearly deck gate walk back out to the sheep gate and walk down a little bit
on that big rocks to spin it in space this time he blew on me again and i departed i came back
i landed back in my body i could breathe i got up the sun was shining the birds were singing
and i was not tired i got up in plenty of time to make work i got to work and i kid you not
because people verified this the first thing my supervisor said it was a woman she said
brian what did you do last night you're glowing when i'm literally when i brush my teeth and stuff
i look like you know my old ugly self to me i mean this is just how i always look but he said you're glowing who'd you sleep with oh nobody she said you're glowing i could say maybe with uh with
the lord with god with jesus that would give a nice testimony yeah it took me by so my surprise
because this person could fire you you know i was a little intimidated like i didn't do anything and so i walked and i i worked at montgomery wards on the building i was doing i was electrician so
i did buildings grounds i worked on the boilers and stuff like that so also would help stack um
the racks on the floor for the clothes when i was a young guy then but anyway at the i went there
and i was working and i was hauling some racks out and these little kids came up and tugged on
my jeans and said you see jesus didn't you i said yeah and the mother said get away from that guy
he's glowing you know i i i go in the bathroom this pulling bathroom and looking i look like me
what is this glowing stuff and so i glowed for three days it just decreased each day
wow like moses moses came down from mount sinai and he was he was glowing he had the glory of
god resting on it and so on i remember was the second day or third day there i would go outside
and i said colorado has some really friendly birds and and all the animals are very friendly
you know you know i'm sitting on the bank of a river all these birds are around chirping and
landing someone landed on my leg and pop off my dog sitting there not chasing the birds rabbits
would come by my dog would not chase the rabbits and then a fox would come up and get a drink and
look up sheepishly get a drink at the river and then go back up to puda river here in fort collins
and then back off slightly my dog would not chase it and um i and i heard these people behind me
walking is that doctor doodle or something and then they said he's glowing it's like
i'm just sitting there and thinking this is boy colorado has some friendly animals
but the presence of god was was like everything was at peace around me wow i couldn't i can't describe it never been like that since wow after that left but that's
what happened in a nutshell i didn't want to take so much time talking about that but there's so much more i could throw in there about heaven but that's um enough to what people's appetite
yes yes and uh if you would like more uh we're hosting the afterlife 2022 uh conference
uh our theme this year and this is the first afterlife 2022 conference is hope restored
and brian will be speaking at that virtual event you can go to our site at randykay.org
for registration to make sure that your attend you're able to attend that april 8th through 9th
2022 and uh we'll be staying in communication we'll give you information uh where you can
contact brian i know he has a new book coming out we'll help uh announce that when it is ready
but for now uh you can read a land unknown to get further details about that and you will see
for those of you who are watching our stream of interviews you will see many common threads
uh throughout of testimonies of those who have uh clinically died or had visions of heaven and hell
and you will see that there are some commonalities between them which is verifying that validating
both the reality of heaven and hell and these experiences themselves because i'm sitting here
listening to brian and brian i've got to say to you that uh i'm like at a heaven reunion i'm going
through the oh yeah yeah this is the river of life the fields the uh uh the throne room of god or the
glory of god and the angels and all of that i'm thinking yeah yeah so and i feel that way with
uh with with many of the accounts uh like we're having a heaven reunion because we have that uh
uh you know brian and i've talked about this we instantly knew that uh we had this level
of camaraderie and empathy with one another's experiences so brian it has been such a pleasure
uh to be with you today is this follow-up i'm sure we'll be in continued conversation
uh and again thank you so much amen it's great to be here good to meet you randy i'm glad to meet
you and it's good to be on your show i just asked that people be blessed and just come to christ and
enter into heaven and we're not going to leave the show brian until we offer an invitation
for those who do not know jesus as their lord and savior then in fact they can be assured
that their experience after leaving this world uh and the bible talks about this life as being like
a miss like a vapor in the context of eternity it's here today and gone tomorrow or gone today
and so we're going to allow you to pray with us and for those who are going through and we've had a number of people brian who have said you know i don't know if i'm saved
or not well some of them uh probably are but they just are doubting themselves
but some you know questions so we're gonna give that assurance so i'm gonna leave it to you to
close us out in prayer brian with a uh offer invitation to receive jesus as lord and savior
sure will well before i pray i just want to ask a few people you know you may think you uh
walked away from god or you walked away from jesus and he would never take you back he he will all you have to do is i call put repentance and feet to your repentance and you
know just surrender to him to say lord take me on yours and i can't do anything of my own strength
you're saved by grace through faith in other words people leave out the grace part where god's grace
will teach you how to say no to sin and deny it and all that and you don't have to work so hard
you just have to let him just work through you and i can't explain it i try so hard but when
i always tell people if that's you and you think you failed the lord and you want to come back get into the bible start reading the scripture take a bible software uh do word studies uh if you don't
know the lord and and you're trying to come to him today i would suggest you read the book of psalms
and read proverbs and read the book of john that's a good place to start and before you do
just pray say lord teach me from this book what you want me to know and it was it's by reading
the word of god he sets you free in ways that i can't explain because it's a supernatural work
and people who have done this and i shared with and they stuck with it and they didn't and they did it all of a sudden they i'll be honest some of their lives got real miserable
but then they wake up and said wow thank you lord for showing me i am the problem and the cause of
feeling miserable help me get rid of it and he heals the broken heart is what he does and so
for those of you who don't know that aspect of i just ask and suggest you just get into
the bible and pray that way if you don't know jesus and you're hearing this for the first time
and you don't want to go to hell and you want to go to heaven and you don't and you know that you're a wretch i mean and you know that you're not perfect and you have a lot of flaws
and and things ain't working out for you and you had a wake-up call where you ain't all that
maybe you got sick maybe you you're feeling really down and out because you did something wrong
the lord's willing to forgive you and take you back he paid that ultimate price so if that's you just i suggest just pray the simple prayer right after it's very simple it's not the prayer that
saves you so much as the hard attitude because like i had i had a heart attitude that i would
my heart would say lord take me i'm yours okay so it's all you have to do is say lord jesus
forgive me cleanse me with your blood i don't know a lot of things i don't understand you at all
help me i ask you to forgive me and take me on yours fill me with the holy spirit
make me born again and teach me all about you in jesus name some simple prayer and also say
spend some carpet time with god and go over what you did wrong weep before him travail if you to
do the bible makes salvation simple whoever calls on the name of the lord will be saved
and you call upon him and find a new life that's out of this world i haven't found it boring yet
but no anything but so so with that let me pray for other people right now too and those of you
listening right now so some of you need prayer especially in this day and hour and time so heavenly father has come before you right now lord i like you to see everybody's heart you know who
who watch and of the timing and when they'll view this so right now lord i ask in the name of
jesus to look at their heart lord some of them have been broken broken by life through abuse
been broken and shattered been hurt by life and that wounded them when they go to one failed
relationship after another the memories of the abuse maybe they're in a single parent home or
they grew up dumped off at the front doorstep of some relative and passed on to foster home
to foster home they don't even know who you are what a dad's like our mom's life and they have a lot of questions and a lot of hurts so lord i thank you for setting them free
and healing their wounds and their hearts right now so by the power of the blood of jesus just cleanse them and give them a sense of resurrection power to raise them out of the pit that they're in
and break these hole where they run to these bad relationships and crazy thoughts that run through
their mind that they're no good their failures or they are whatever they're thinking that they're
severely depressed release it off of them right now a lot of them a lot of people listening now
open the door for the enemy to come right on in and things are controlling them and they're held captive to them so in the name of jesus any demonic host or principality or anything
that's holding them back it will be gone in the name of jesus just release it off of them right
now in the name of jesus i know for some of you this will sound strange but here it comes here it
comes i thank you lord jesus for sending it right now all of those who need that deliverance from
those habits and those spirits be released off of them now no need to yell scream bump up and down
you know the authority of jesus christ you will bow your knee and you will leave right now in the
name of jesus and these people will be set free in the name of jesus be gone in the name of jesus
leave them alone stop tormenting them be gone in the name of jesus
it's really coming now thank you jesus thank you jesus thank you jesus thank you for setting those
people free in the name of jesus heal that broken heart those words that were spoken
into your heart and your mind maybe you grew up in a narcissistic home all those words that tore you apart and you can't understand why you keep running back
to the narcissist be gone you lousy spirit get out of these people's lives in the name of jesus
you know i just thank you lord that the holy spirit i thank you through the power of the holy spirit the broken hearts healed the captives are set free those who are abound will find their
in their prison that they're held captive to and their thoughts will be free if they're depressed
and they're downtrodden and they don't understand stuff that they will find the oil of joy of gladness i just thank you lord that they become plantings of the lord the trees of righteousness
where they can people can come to them and find rest with their testimony and how you set them
free in jesus name amen jesus name amen thank you and thank you for watching and spending time with
us brian melvin author of a land unknown we will keep you informed where you can hear more about
brian where he's going to be at he'll be at the afterlife and con afterlife conference speaking there as well uh and you can get more information at randycay.org
about that event so brian again thank you so much and until next time know that heaven is
in your future god bless you and bless you all take care thank you god bless you all
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